Season 5

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Episode 6

Envisioning the art of the

possible

Michael Wandelmaier

Head of Design @ Metalab

Apr 4, 2024

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53 mins

music by Dennis 

Nick Basile

Nail the product design

interview

Crafting a beautiful portfolio and career story may

seem like art, but the candidates who stand out know

the exact science of what the person in the other chair

needs to see to get to "yes".

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About this Episode

Since the beginning of my design career, I’ve looked up to Metalab. So this interview is a

special one because we get to learn from their Head of Design, Michael Wandelmeier.

We go deep into how design works at Metalab and talk about specific strategies around:

Mike’s go-to storytelling tactics

The importance of opinionated design

When they ignore constraints on a project

The unique way they map out user journeys

Tips for driving alignment on complex projects

How they use the “ridiculously early hypothesis”

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Show Notes

Ian Wharton (storytelling coach)

Upwork (example client)

Transcript chapters

[00:00:00] Overview of how Metalab works

[00:01:59] How to run a great project kickoff meeting

[00:05:19] A different way to think about user journey maps

[00:07:33] Why Mike uses the "Ridiculously early hypothesis"

[00:12:18] Strategies for driving alignment with clients

[00:16:03] How Metalab's process evolves for startups vs. big-

name brands

[00:18:11] Understanding the core Metalab process

[00:21:26] Designing to find answers vs. finding answers to design

[00:23:21] Importance of storytelling in the informal working

context

[00:26:00] Traits of designers who are great storytellers

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